Sherry's 3:4 ternary format (1.375 bits per weight) running on WebGPU: a 1.6 MB model that plays Connect Four as well as its 7.8 MB int8 version
Mirrored from r/LocalLLaMA for archival readability. Support the source by reading on the original site.
Not an LLM, but the ternary findings should carry over, and we hadn't seen Sherry-style 3:4 weights run in a browser before. Disclosure: this is our work at Precisit, everything is MIT.
What it is
- A 7.4M-parameter one-pass scorer (the jevlike family): the board goes in, one score per legal column comes out. No search.
- Weights in T34, Sherry's 3:4 format: in every four weights one is zero and three are ±1, so four weights fit in 5 bits. One fp16 scale per 128 weights gives 1.375 bits per weight. The embedding is int8; norms and biases are fp16.
- It runs in the browser on a small WebGPU runtime: 1.1 ms per move (idle M5 Pro, Chrome).
| Model | File size | vs depth-4 bot | vs depth-6 bot |
|---|---|---|---|
| dense (fp32) | 29.7 MB | 0.92 | 0.89 |
| T34, trained ternary | 1.59 MB | 0.93 | 0.91 |
| T34, fine-tuned from dense | 1.59 MB | 0.89 | 0.9 |
| T34, converted after training | 1.59 MB | 0.13 | 0.11 |
| Base243 (TQ1_0 style), trained | 1.93 MB | 0.89 | 0.88 |
200 games each, both sides play a random move 5% of the time, a win counts 1 and a draw ½.
What we learned
- Converting the finished model to 3:4 collapsed it (0.13 against the depth-4 bot). Training with the format in the forward pass fixed it completely, whether from scratch or fine-tuning.
- Attention's q/k/v matrices are the sensitive ones. Group size (64/128/256) barely mattered.
- Seeds matter: two runs of the same T34 recipe scored 0.945 and 0.882.
Play it:
https://precisit.github.io/onepass-web/demo/c4-size/
Code, models, every result:
https://github.com/precisit/onepass-webgpu-ternary
The write-up:
https://precisit.com/en/blog/onepass-c4-size/
Has anyone gotten post-training 3:4 conversion to work on models, or does it need training?
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