Qwen3.8-27B-Humanlike-Chat 2.0: texts like a human, now with tool calls and better instruction following
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| Last month I posted a Qwen3.8-27B LoRA that makes it talk like a person instead of an assistant. It got a lot more attention than I expected: 700+ upvotes, 248 comments and 44k downloads since. I read every comment. People really don't like assistant speak, so its tone of voice resonated. The rest got roasted, very fairly:
They were right. The tool calls didn't actually work, and when people asked it to do something it would sometimes just say it's busy or going to bed. Very human. In a bad way. So I spent the last three weeks on 2.0. The goal was simple: keep the voice people liked and lose the drawbacks. What 2.0 does now
It's a colleague and a humanlike companion, not an assistant. Use it for chat, roleplay, agents or actual work. How I trained it v1 was plain SFT on real and synthetic conversations (139,845 messages from 1,396 conversations). That copies habits, including the bad ones. For 2.0 I used on-policy distillation. The model writes its own replies and a teacher grades every token. There are two teachers:
The student never sees the hidden instruction, so it learns the behaviour without needing a prompt. Same 27B, a second LoRA on top, merged. Numbers (vs the model I trained on, huihui-ai's abliterated Qwen3.8-27B; same prompts, same run, thinking off)
Full chart in the images. Where it's still worse: knowledge (MMLU-Pro 72.5 vs 78.5) and competitive code (LiveCodeBench 51 vs 56). Is it actually more human? I built a benchmark for this, "ishuman":
So no, you can't just prompt your way there. In a separate test of 16 live multi-turn chats with invented people, 2.0 was picked over the base model 16 out of 16 times. Links
Big thanks to everyone who left feedback last time, especially the ones who were critical. Tell me where it still sounds like an assistant. [link] [comments] |
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